BRK: Pete, how did your position in the John T. Bill Company connect you with the growth of the high-rise bike movement in Southern California?"
PM: As the buyer for John T. Bill, my salesman for the San Diego area hounded me to buy Polo seats, hi-hiser bars, and knobby tires, he said the kids were building up these funny bikes and it was gaining in popularity.
BRK: This must have had you wondering about what was going on down there with the kids and all those bike parts; how did you respond to your salesman's request? PM: I took a trip with my salesman to the San Diego area to see what it was all about; and it was an eye-opener.
BRK: Did the demand for the hi-rise parts level off after a while, or did orders continue to increase?
PM: I bought as many polo seat and hi-riser bars as I could get, and the popularity was still growing.
BRK: Was your supply of the high-riser parts enough to meet the need during the summer of 1962?
PM: The high-riser craze caused a shortage of Polo seats, we could sell all we could get from Persons.
BRK: I would have thought that Bob Persons would have been glad to hear about the seats' renewed popularity; how did he feel about your sudden request for large numbers of his Solo Polo seats?
PM: I tried to convince Bob to increase production; but he was a little gun-shy about the popularity of this new bike style, as were many others.
BRK: Pete, How fast did the craze spread beyond San Diego after the initial breakout? I'm sure you recognized the incredible sales potential if the hi-rise style became widespread in California?
PM: The biggest job was convincing dealers outside of the San Diego area that it was a hot new trend; and that they should place an order for this new wave of bike components. However, it did not take long for the wave to move northward; and you know the rest.
BRK: I understand that the popularity of the new bike style become so great in mid-'62 that you decided to go one step further, and made the decision to have a run of hi-rise bikes manufactured. What was the first step you took?
PM: I was on friendly terms with Huffy at the time, and we arranged a meeting about building a production model of this type of bike. We had a difficult time convincing Huffy to make the bike for us; we had to guarantee that we would buy any unused parts not assembled on the bikes- parts like the seats, handlebars and tires.
BR&K: Did it take long to work out a deal with Huffy? It sounds like you wanted those bikes as soon as possible.
PM: it took many months of convincing. Huffy's legal department said it could be a liability issue; we finally accepted all the responsibility and got the go-ahead.
BRK: This must have been a very frustrating time for you, what with all the roadblocks being put in your way?
PM: Yes, we were very disappointed with the delays from Huffy. It wasn't fun to watch our efforts being put aside by short-sighted engineers.
BRK: Pete, you decided to call your bike the 'Penguin' I think everyone is curious about the name and how it came about.
PM: The Penguin name came about after choosing the color black for the frame, and using a white polo seat on it. It looked like a Penguin, and everyone agreed. We kicked around many other names, but this one stuck out above all the others.
BRK: I was under the impression that some of the Huffy Penguins were available in red, is there any truth to this?
PM: We never made a Huffy Penguin in a red color, we only offered it in the black and white combination, we used the K.I.S.S. method when planning the production model.
BRK: I understand that you didn't get delivery of the Huffy Penguin bikes 'til about a month into 1963; which meant that you missed out on the '62 Christmas shopping season. I can only imagine how you must have felt in that situation.
PM: We at John T. Bill were growing very angry at Huffy's procrastination on this project, as we had become aware that Al Fritz at Schwinn had been told about the growing popularity of the bike style. Schwinn, having their own factory, could move very rapidly. We, as a distributor with no factory capabilities had to rely on others; it was very frustrating.
BRK: Your hunch was right about Schwinn; you only had the Penguin on the market for about 4 months when they introduced their own version of the California hi-rise bike.
PM: Yes, after we introduced the Penguin to the bike industry it only took a few months for Schwinn to come out with their version, the "Sting-Ray"; and the rest is history.
BRK: Pete, In doing my research I came across advertisements from 1963 for two other hi-rise bikes, one called the Monark "Avanti" and the other called the Huffy "Brodie" . The photos used to illustrate these two bikes look exactly like your Huffy Penguin. Did your company, John T. Bill, sell these bikes as a variant of the Penguin, or, if not, do you know anything about them?
PM: I will try and clear up the Monark Avanti and Huffy Brodie bike situation. No, we did not sell these two models; they were sold directly by Huffy to their discount-store customers. The story goes like this- we approached Huffy to build this bike for us- and you know that story. When we started to deliver these bikes, the trend started to snowball. Our big mistake was that we did not have an exclusive contract on the design of this bike from Huffy; and when the discount stores became aware of this bike, they pushed Huffy to sell them this new model. This happened at the end of 1963.
BRK: Pete, you and your company "John T. Bill" were responsible for bringing the first commercially-made hi- rise bikes to the market place, by contracting with Huffman Manufacturing to make an exclusive run of these bikes. It seems like Huffy's introduction of the Avanti and Brodie bikes suddenly left you out of the loop, and you weren't included in their new plans?
PM: Huffy did not sell this type of bike before we convinced them to build the Penguin model for us. They cashed in on our promotional work. Again, our biggest mistake was not demanding an exclusive contract; we were just too trusting. BRK: So, in the beginning, Huffy didn't want to make your bike and put up roadblocks to its production. When the Penguin and Sting Ray bikes became successful "Huffy" didn't include you in their new plans to market a bike of their own. So, you again had to look for a new company to produce your Penguin bikes?
PM: As a result of Huffy's selling to discount stores we changed our supplier; and our new bike became the Dayton "Deluxe Penguin". The discount stores began to grab most of the business, with the Huffy knockoffs; this did not affect Schwinn because they sold only to Schwinn retail stores, with heavy corporate advertising.
BRK: As a final thought, Pete, what do you think the bike industry people of 1963 would have thought about what kids are doing today with 20" bicycles?
PM: If some of those folks could see what the kids are doing with 20" bikes today, they would pop out of their graves!
BRK: Pete, on the behalf of BikeRod&Kustom and all its loyal readers we want to thank you for taking the time to speak with us about your incredibly important contribution to bicycle history.
PM: John, I am amazed that you found all this information about the Huffy Penguin. There are not many people around who still remember this period in bicycle history. Everything you mention in the story is correct. Good luck on the article and enjoy your trip to Amsterdam. Keep me posted on the timetable, and if you have any other questions, give me jingle.
Regards, Pete |